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这里是不捏离合升档的人多还是捏离合升档的人多?

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发表于 浙江省 2017-9-25 08:42 | 显示全部楼层
en2f枫 发表于 2017-9-24 20:41
哈哈哈,先降车速,感觉发动机快要拖档而又没出现拖档的时候小补一点油几乎同时降档,也就是一补完油不够 ...

那我的车应该在3000转的时候降档。掉下3000就感觉会拖档了。
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发表于 浙江省 2017-9-27 08:13 | 显示全部楼层
反正我要捏,自己的车要紧


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发表于 浙江省 2017-9-27 08:16 | 显示全部楼层
反正我要捏,自己的车要紧
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发表于 江西省 2017-9-28 06:09 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
[quote]图谋不轨 发表于 2017-8-31 11:10
看车型吧,以前的轻骑不捏离合换挡很平顺,现在的马大哈真心不行~~~[/qu
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发表于 江西省 2017-9-28 06:19 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
[quote][color=#999999]农村小子1987 发表于 2017-9
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发表于 江西省 2017-9-28 06:26 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
死了都要飙 发表于 2017-8-30 21:30
升档可以非常平顺,但降档不能做到平顺,这一点可以探讨,总之我的观点是升档不用捏离合,降档要捏

民用的摩托车,不用离合,1挡升2挡都很难做到平顺的,后面的档位差不多。
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发表于 江西省 2017-9-28 06:33 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
390471332 发表于 2017-8-31 09:02
赛车手有用离合吧 我看好多比赛镜头骑手都有用离合啊

motogp赛车在无缝变速器出来之前,升挡不需要离合,降挡需要,而且每降一档就需要捏一次离合《不能捏住离合连续降挡》,每捏一次离合就需要补一次油,从6挡降到2挡需要重复四次这种动作,而我们正常只需要捏离合踩四下就行了。优酷还有视频可以看看,现在的motogp赛车是无缝变速器,无论是加减挡都不需要离合,跟现在汽车上的双离合变速器差不多原理,最先采用的是本田的赛车,唯一不同的是无缝变速器起步需采要捏离合。
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发表于 浙江省 2017-10-14 13:19 | 显示全部楼层
能做到不捏离合升档,对离合器有好处,加速也快点。但是,链条容易拉长,这个烦;还有链条松的时候 不捏离合升声音响 我还是觉得捏离合好
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发表于 天津市 2017-10-15 14:12 | 显示全部楼层
讨论个换挡都能吵起来,真服了。
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发表于 北京市 2017-10-15 16:09 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
那个鼠王确实是个毒瘤


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发表于 广东省 2017-10-16 06:19 | 显示全部楼层
我除了一档起步捏离合和降档其他都不用离合,我车十年了也没见什么问题。
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发表于 黑龙江省 2017-10-16 07:56 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
偶尔会不切离合升档。


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发表于 黑龙江省 2017-10-16 07:58 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
偶尔会不捏离合升档。


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发表于 山西省 2017-10-21 22:33 | 显示全部楼层
yifeng0898 发表于 2017-8-30 18:35
不捏离合换档迟早损伤变速箱,扯什么松油门瞬间配合升档都是装逼,没什么意义,也没必要,我不用离合都可以 ...

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发表于 广东省 2017-10-25 09:34 | 显示全部楼层
还得看那车好不好骑
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发表于 山东省 2017-10-28 12:01 | 显示全部楼层
弯梁一辆   我倒想捏离合  可是离合在哪呢。。。。。
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发表于 广东省 2017-12-20 16:26 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
升档提速,好像是快那么一丢丢


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发表于 上海市 2017-12-28 08:39 | 显示全部楼层
这本来就是个类似1档起步还是2档起步,捏离合刹车还是不捏离合刹车,这种很个性化的操作,非要有人摆出一副你不这样你就傻,人家赛车手都这样的姿态。幸好看了看全部回复,有脑子的还是占多数的。

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发表于 江苏省 2017-12-28 08:43 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
去看维基百科上有关摩托车变速箱的词条,明确说摩托车变速箱结构不同于汽车变速箱,换挡不需要离合
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发表于 上海市 2017-12-28 09:11 | 显示全部楼层
songroov 发表于 2017-12-28 16:43
去看维基百科上有关摩托车变速箱的词条,明确说摩托车变速箱结构不同于汽车变速箱,换挡不需要离合

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_transmission

请找出哪段写了换档不需要离合。恰恰是离合器占了最长的篇幅。

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The transmission on this 1921 ABC motorcycle is located behind the engine and shifts by a long hand-operated lever on its right side.


A motorcycle transmission is a transmission created specifically for motorcycle applications. They may also be found in use on other light vehicles such as motor tricycles and quadbikes, go-karts offroad buggies, auto rickshaws, mowers and other utility vehicles, microcars, and even some superlight racing cars.
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ManualMost manual transmission two-wheelers use a sequential gearbox. Most modern motorcycles (except scooters) change gears (of which they increasingly have five or six) by foot lever. On a typical motorcycle either first or second gear can be directly selected from neutral, but higher gears may only be accessed in order – it is not possible to shift from second gear to fourth gear without shifting through third gear. A five-speed of this configuration would be known as "one down, four up" because of the placement of the gears with relation to neutral. Neutral is to be found "half a click" away from first and second gears, so shifting directly between the two gears can be made in a single movement.
AutomaticAutomatic transmissions are less common on motorcycles than manual, and are mostly found only on scooters and some custom cruisers and exotic sports bikes. Types include continuously variable transmission, semi-automatic transmission and dual clutch transmission.
Reverse gearThe weight of the largest touring motorcycles (sometimes in excess of 360 kg or 800 lbs) is such that they cannot effectively be pushed backwards by a seated rider, and they are fitted with a reverse gear as standard. In some cases, including the Honda Gold Wing and BMW K1200LT, this is not really a reverse gear, but a feature of the starter motor which when reversed, performs the same function. To avoid accidental operation, reverse is often engaged using an entirely separate control switch - e.g. a pull-toggle at the head of the fuel tank - when the main gearshift is in neutral.
Shift controlIn earlier times (pre-WWII), hand-operated gear changes were common, with a lever provided to the side of the fuel tank (above the rider's leg). British and many other motorcycles after World War II used a lever on the right (with brake on the left), but today gear-changing is standardised on a foot-operated lever to the left.
Scooters, underbones and miniaturesTraditional scooters (such as the Vespa) still have manual gear-changing by a twist grip on the left hand side of the handlebar, with a co-rotated clutch lever. Modern scooters were often fitted with a throttle-controlled continuously variable transmission, thus earning the term twist-and-go.
Underbone and miniature motorcycles often have a three to five-speed foot change, but the clutch is automatic.
ClutchThe clutch in a manual-shift motorcycle transmission is typically an arrangement of plates stacked in alternating fashion, one geared on the inside to the engine and the next geared on the outside to the transmission input shaft. Whether wet (rotating in engine oil) or dry, the plates are squeezed together by a spring, causing friction build up between the plates until they rotate as a single unit, driving the transmission directly. A lever on the handlebar exploits mechanical advantage through a cable or hydraulic arrangement to release the clutch spring(s), allowing the engine to freewheel with respect to the transmission.
Automatic and semi-automatics typically use a centrifugal clutch which operates in a different fashion. At idle, the engine is disconnected from the gearbox input shaft, allowing both it and the bike to freewheel (unlike torque converter automatics, there is no "idle creep" with a properly adjusted centrifugal clutch). As the throttle is opened and engine speed rises, counterweights attached to movable inner friction surfaces (connected to the engine shaft) within the clutch assembly are thrown gradually further outwards, until they start to make contact with the inside of the outer housing (connected to the gearbox shaft) and transmit an increasing amount of engine power. The effective "bite point" is found automatically by equilibrium where the power being transmitted through the (still-slipping) clutch is equal to what the engine can provide. This allows relatively fast full-throttle takeoffs (with the clutch adjusted so the engine will be turning near its maximum-torque rpm) without the engine slowing or bogging down, as well as more relaxed starts and low-speed maneuvers at lower throttle settings and rpms.
Above a certain engine speed - when the bike is properly in motion, so the gearbox input shaft is also rotating quickly and so allowing the engine to accelerate further by way of clutch slip - the outward pressure of the weighted friction plates is sufficient that the clutch will enter full lock-up, the same as a conventional plate-clutch with a fully released lever or pedal. After this, there is no clutch slip, and the engine is locked to and providing all of its available power to the transmission; engine rpm is now dependent on the road speed and the current gear ratio (under either user control in a semi-auto, or reliant on road speed (and sometimes load/throttle position) in a CVT setup). In a typical CVT, the gear ratio will be chosen so the engine can reach and maintain its maximum-power speed as soon as possible (or at least, when at full throttle, in a partially load-dependent system), but in a semi-auto the rider is responsible for this choice, and they can ride around all day in top gear (or first) if they so prefer. Also, when the engine is turning fast enough to lock the clutch, it will stay fully engaged until the RPMs fall below that critical point again, even if the throttle is fully released. Below the lock-up point, partially or fully releasing the throttle can lead to the RPM falling off rapidly, thanks to the feedback loop of lower engine speed meaning less friction pressure. This toggle-like mode of operation can lead to certain characteristic centrifugal-clutch-automatic behaviour, such as being able to freewheel rapidly downhill from a standstill, with engine braking only being triggered by turning the throttle briefly (and not then cancellable without braking to quite a slow, gear-dependent pace), and lockup triggering at a lower speed with full versus minimal throttle.
ConstructionPre-unit construction, also called separate construction, is a motorcycle engine architecture where the engine and gearbox are separate casings. In unit construction the engine and gearbox share a single housing.
In many modern designs, the engine sits in front of the gearbox. From a sprocket on one side of the crankshaft, a chain or sprocket directly mounted to the clutch will drive the clutch, which can often be found behind a large circular cover on one side of the gearbox. The clutch is connected to the gearbox input shaft. For motorcycles with chain drive, the gearbox output shaft is typically connected to the sprocket which drives the final drive chain.
Most manual motorcycle gearboxes have "constant mesh" gears which are always mated but may rotate freely on a shaft until locked by a toothed sliding collar or "dog clutch". Since the gears are always rotating and can only be accessed sequentially, synchromesh is not generally needed. To save space, both shafts may contain a mixture of fixed and free-spinning gears, with some gears built into the sliding parts.

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